You dont have to respond just read. VF4 is exactly like DOA(all) except vf is on ps2 and doa is on xbox and dc. What you dont understand is that you're trying to preach to a 2d fighter fan. I've played the VF4 practice mode and tried to learn thier moves, the game is too time consuming. Trying to master evey move and it's porpose is for somebody who has too much damn spare time. Plus the game is really revoled around timeing, which is really annoying, and another thing the main topic was mainly about 2d games, he just happen to mention 3d games not being played much. The only 3d game that i ever really spent my time on and some what tried to master was soul calibur.