to be honest i used to think they are pathetic as well, but thats just for an emu end-user. come to think of it, hacking a goddamn rom (not to mention one using heavy banking techniques), removing the protection, and selling it to the black market isnt exactly something i can call as pathetic in the end. hey, they got the bucks and we dont afterall. that may be the factor that shaped the opinions between them and us.