I'm no sony fanboy but i have to disagree. In terms of raw poly and sprite pushing, I have yet to see any better effects on any system than the fully integrated 60fps cel shading of Zone of the Enders: the 2nd Runner (and that game came out in 2003). Rendering 450 mechs on one battlefield at 60fps with cel shading and weapon effects is quite an accomplishment. Regardless, i would go with the ps2 because you simply get more value for money. I have't been buying new ps2 games recently (the most recent one was Virtual On: MARZ) but i say grab a used ps2 and pick up these five great titles for less than $20 each: 1. Zone of the Enders: the 2nd Runner 2. the original Devil May Cry 3. Capcom vs. SNK 2 (i don't care what you fanboys think, in the words of EGM the xbox 'joypad feels like a canned ham') 4. Virtua Fighter 4 5. Metal Gear Solid 2 Substance If jiang is on a budget i see no better way than this to catch up with modern, next-gen gaming. 4. I have no choice but to agree with what you have said. 2nd Runner pushes the PS2 to it's limits. And it looks fabulous to boot. Devil May Cry....oh yes. But since this is the Bill-BOX forum... jjangthekid, get the Bill-BOX if you feel like it. It's a good system. Sure, I'm in the Playstation camp myself and would like nothing more than seeing you get a PS2, but hey....it's your call.