answered myself? - what was my question? By my own admission I am just a lowly end user of other peoples fine work, I profit from it and I am thankful for whatever it is that gets their work into my hands I don't care much for protocol - I care about this end result. I don't know what other developers want to hear and I'm sorry if I've hurt (their) feelings, it was not my intention, I just wanted to put a voice to what I believe is probably a silent majority of end users enjoying a product that many have contributed to. Perhaps I shouldn't have said anything - as to this outside reader/observer there are clearly greater ego's than mine at stake here : ) Anyway I wholeheartedly would like to see more mame stuff being done, on xbox, pc, maybe 360 one day and I'll get one of those so to this end I commend the intention of this post.