what are you trying to drag me into this one, I've left 2 pretty meh replies in this thread, it's an "I don't care" topic, I may be the only guy in the world who thinks MGS is crap, crap now, crap back in the day, just plain crap, convoluted and confusing don't make a good story, long ass cut scenes don't make a good story, sorry. as for the "oh my god the 360 breaks!" retort... do you get extra experience points for beating dead horses? no one denys the 360 has had hardware issues. but so did the ps2. and just to clarify I am still on my first second shipment 360.