Great review, although i disagree with you the fun factor is not there for casual gamer. The learning curve is too high (and this is coming from someone who try to master every move set and combos for Street Fighters and Tekken). And somehow, i really don't like the characters in VF except for El Fuerte....errr...I mean, El Blaze and Wolf. However, i do commend the move sets here as very authentic to actual fighting and wrestling moves. Graphically, i still think Soulcalibur IV can compare to VF5 in some aspect but not all. Control-wise, it will be hard to play without a stick Anyway, i do get some enjoyment playing online with Fatal, bambi and BK before I got banned (which is better than SCIV, online almost unplayable for us).