RPGs; Eastern vs. Western

[L.S.D]

Is Vampire : Masquarades settings come from Ravenloft?

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No, it comes from the Vampire the Masquerade pen and paper made by White Wolf.

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Oh, ok:)

I tot it is one of the D&D.

Yeah, White Wolf game snormally make a fine transition to PC

games But I can;t remember any examples

Edited February 24, 2005 by L.S.D

[Wizard]

White Wolf uses the *Open-source* d20 system no?

[Gryph]

I forget what they use, I never really got into it. All I played was AD&D 2.5 and Shadowrun.

[Agozer]

If you have then you wouldn't something like that. Also, I could care less about the story of a game if it played like crap (like your Eastern games do).

I wish you'd stop generalizing eastern games with that second sentence.

[Gryph]

Ok, fine. I was just caught up in the moment. For the record I like Chrono Trigger and Breath of Fire 2 a lot.

[NeoMaster]

Have you even played Fallout? If you have then you wouldn't something like that. Also, I could care less about the story of a game if it played like crap (like your Eastern games do). You can give me the most cliched "unknown hero must save the kingdom" story and I won't care if the gameplay is great and I enjoy playing it. Also, with our Western RPGs we are given a nice character creation system where we can build our character how we want to. If I want to be stealthy, I'll give more points to skills that help me there, if I want to be a mage, I'll put points to help magic. Also, if I'm not mistaken isn't it in your Eastern RPGs where you are just given a character (who is usually some kind of fighter with a big head and a faggoty haircut) to play as with no way to personalize him? I think you should think before you speak.

You act like your judgement is fact. Probably you should refrain from your assumption of superiority because that kind of perception of Eastern videogames is completely ignorant. Saying those kind of comments just proves the lack of intelligence in your posts and shows the reader that your points are not concrete. I don't know about this fallout game of yours but I can say with certainty that having one game that has story doesn't save the rest of the lackluster snorefests.

 

I don't know what exactly entices you about designating points to characteristics. From my experience build your characters is a complete waste of time in the end. With games such as Diablo, every character has a predefined ultimate form making you waste your time endlessy by choosing to place points and skills in the wrong area. Eastern RPG's often have the ability to increase your skill by using it continuously, therefore giving you the option of what kind of skills to build, but you don't see me bragging about it. Tactical Strategy games like Final Fantasy Tactics and Disgaea (which are considered RPG in my books and most gaming sources) provide endless opportunities to build and fashion each character the way you please. My point being, Eastern games can match anything created by Western. You are just racist in the sense that only Western games are worth your time.

 

Again with the story...I already took care of that above. But that's the style of Western RPGs, they are usually a whole bunch of quests (that you may or may not chose to do if they are not part of the main quest) that eventually come together to drive the main plot (however "lame" you may find it to be) forward. Atleast in Western RPGs the gameplay is not linear as it is in your Eastern games. I don't play a game and go "Oh boy I hope the ending the good!" I play the game for the game itself and what it has to offer. Ofcourse, I do like a good resolution to a game, Fallout 1 has one of the best endings ever.

In addition to outstanding story telling, Eastern RPG's make replaying the games over again through various side quests and mini games. Eastern RPG's can be considered linear because there is always a reason behind the actions you take. Western RPG's have mindless quests to get a new item...wow. Once again you have used Fallout as the saviour of Western games, try more examples next time.

 

Have you ever played Star Ocean 3? It provides one of the best combat systems in RPG's allowing your to choose what skills to improve and use in battle. In turn your success depends on how well you can connect combos and how well skills are used with your team mates. Every battle is different and provides an enriching satisfaction from difficult fights rather then mindless hack and slash.

So wait...what exactly do you do in your Eastern RPGs? Do you stick your dick into the socket and have sex with it? If I'm not mistaken (2nd time I've said that) isn't that what you do in those games too? Don't you fight a whole bunch of little enemies and level up your character and then fight a big boss. Wash rinse repeat. Also, don't most games have a "just to kill the boss" thing going for them? I sure as hell think they do. How do you Eastern RPGs resolve your game?

Well duh, all RPG's are like that and I did mention that below that section of text. As I've said Eastern RPGs provide you with a better sense of accomplishment after you saved the world and beat the boss because you remember the difficult journey. With Diablo/Everquest/NWN, you feel nothing and just want to restart your game so you can get some more attribute points.

 

That's something I don't really care about in games to the same degree as Eastern RPGers do. I have never felt any emotion to any character within a video game. The most a game has done to me emotionally is made me laugh or just made me happy because I'm enjoying the experience. But hey, that's just me, I'm pretty emotionally detached from most things especially video games.

Heh, that's one of the worst paragraphs ever. Western RPG's are all about the MMORPG, therefore it is the most susceptable to emotional attachment. I'm not even going to bother with that one. I'm sure you wouldn't care if your level 76 Mage gets deleted.

Saying that all Western RPGs have to offer is what you stated above is stupid. RPG stands for ROLE PLAYING GAME (of course it can be argued that ALL games are role playing games but let's not get into semantics). To me the essense of a role playing game is to create create role and to make decisions in the game which guide that character to greatness.

 

Literature and moviews are completely different from video games because it's not an interactive experience. That's what makes video games so special, the fact that you are actually doing it which is precisely the reason I like Western style RPGs. If I want a nice story with deep characters and great plot, I'll go to the bookstore and get a book. I play RPGs because they allow me to interact with a different world and where my character can have meaninful growth.

Maybe you should pick up Harvest Moon sometime.

Videogames are heavily based from Literature. The elements of wizards and warriors stem from written work. Saying that you don't care about the story means you've lost the main point of the game. Literature is there so you can experience through imagination about the worlds and people you see. How they act, feel and react all are critical elements to the game. Videogames are not completely different and allow you to see everything. The worlds, the characters and the events.

Is it so hard to grasp that some people just don't like the games you do? These are all just opinions, it's what makes being human a good thing. We all have our own tastes.

Actually, maybe you should ask that question to yourself. If you want people to accept your beliefs maybe you shouldn't say "They are just plain crap" without any proof or knowledge about the subject. The only reason why I contended to your remarks is because I hate it when people blab about their attitude like everything is universal according to their beliefs.

[Wizard]

I forget what they use, I never really got into it. All I played was AD&D 2.5 and Shadowrun.

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<3 AD&D 2.5 & Shadowrun

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Welllll, to answer of the stuff you said for my self. In my humble opinion there just isn't alot of Eastern RPG's pulling off the gripping force anymore(Those that can grip are either remakes or something like Tales Of, right now, just because I'm a fanboy FF12 seems really really interesting because it has stuff from FFTA), be it because of hte advent of technology and disc capacity (Having voices is a god send, but I really, really REALLY like reading, explains why I love books so much) or otherwise (like great minds leaving X company).

 

Harvest Moon <3 <3 <3 it.

 

RPGs serve as one thing. To give the user experience, something that is rarely done (now anyways) in Eastern RPGs (christ, even doujin games are more interesting then most recently RPGs, AND THATS JUST THE STORYLINE AND NOT THE PRETTY PICTURES).

 

You should really try out games that aren't in the tradional D&D sense. Fallout is a great example.

[Gryph]

I hope you don't mind if I reply to that post sometime later tonight or tomorrow at work. Right now I'm juggling my lab report and studying for my Developmental Biology test. Just don't get the idea that I'm assing out because I haven't replied quickly, I have a ton of work. Also, let's keep it civil otherwise somone might close this thread and I don't want to happen till atleast I get to post again. Looks like I won't be doing anything productive at work again.

 

I should have just put IN MY HUMBLE OPINION as the first line of that post.

[Wizard]

It being in italic makes it pretty clear. Gryph, you should make it in BIG RED LETTERS next time. It would rock.

[NeoMaster]

I'm not here to have a match of intelligence with anyone. I wanted to stay with the idea of everyone likes what like they so just respect that. But many people are gangbanging Eastern RPG's and I just thought it would be nice to level the playing field a bit. If you have further comments to add i'll be glad to read them and give you my response.

 

However, just to let everyone know I'm really playing an advocate to conflict. I'd recently greatly enjoyed WoW and Champions RTA more than my Nocturne and Suikoden IV. I just love video games so much. I'm still addicted to Shadow Hearts 1&2 and Star Ocean 3.

 

So what's all this babbling about?

 

I am not biased toward anything when it comes to games. I'll try anything and I'll play what I enjoy. But I'll be in arms when someone wiener whacks a genre of videogames and becomes prejudice not only in games, but in culture.

Edited February 24, 2005 by NeoMaster

[Gryph]

Ok, I have to respond to that last part. I am NOT prejudiced against their culture. I love Eastern people. Just because I don't like their style of RPGs doesn't make me biased against them as a people or their culture. If Eastern RPG developers made games that catered to my tastes then I would defintely play them.