IRAQ

[Alpha]

I just noticed we don't have a single thread about this. It's probably the most popular discussion throughout the world.

 

Here's the latest news:

 

CNN Headline News anchor Glenn Beck said tonight that if America withdraws from Iraq, it “would be America’s most shameful act of immorality since slavery,” adding that congressional war opponents are “just plain stupid” and “can’t see the future.”

 

Beck claimed that if U.S. forces pull out, a “genocide” will take place that makes Darfur “look like a picnic.” “The blood of the Iraqi children will be on all of our hands,” Beck said.

 

Watch the Video: Click Here

 

According to Beck, the solution for Iraq is more U.S. troops. A lack of troops isn’t the problem. Since President Bush sent his “surge” of troops to Baghdad, violence has gone up. The deadliest single attack since the war began — a suicide truck bombing in Tal Afar that killed 152 people — occurred this month, as did the deadliest attack yet inside the Green Zone.

 

The U.S. presence in Iraq is hurting, rather than helping, the situation. Seven out of 10 Iraqis want the United States to leave, and a poll last year found that the majority of Iraqis believe violence would decrease if U.S. troops withdrew.

 

There is no comparison between enslaving human beings and proposing a plan to remove U.S. troops from the middle of a civil war.

 

Source: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/24/beck-slavery/

What's your take on the situation? And please vote in the poll.

[BlackKnight]

Uh-oh... Iraq topics always annoy the hell out of me because there are always too many bleeding hearts out there to let me get off unscathed with my far right views and without a flamesuit.

 

So I'll sit this one out. My vote says enough. (Stay!)

[L.S.D]

Should have avoid going there in the 1st place.

 

US Govt's doing just put every Americans as the no.1 hitlist.

[BlackKnight]

Should have avoid going there in the 1st place.

 

US Govt's doing just put every Americans as the no.1 hitlist.

 

Hey LSD that's the opposite of your stance on that topic about girls yesterday.

 

Didn't you advocate girls having the right to wear skimpy stuff without having to worry about be raped?

 

Not the best comparison, but doesn't the US deserve to do what it thinks is right without having to worry about what all the bitter militant groups out there are gonna do about it?

 

The US isn't antagonising terrorists anymore than a short skirt would antagonise any red-blooded man.

 

 

I realise that war isn't good for anyone, but on principle I think America has the right without having to worry about all those pissy little factions who were likely gunning for a war with anyone because of their own bitterness before this all started anyway. Speaking of 'who started it' can anyone say 9/11?

[L.S.D]

My point is yes, American has the right to protect themselves from threats but does that give them the right to invade the sovereignity

of a country? Even if the country is a communist/taliban/dictatorship country, it is still not right to do that. From what I recalled, I have not seen Iraq launching any offensive attack on US or its interest.

I agree that US has the right to protect thier interests in the Gulf War (proecting their interests in Kuwait), but the Iraq war? What is the justification? WMD? It has been proven that no WMD exist and it is a fabrication from Bush's Administration.

 

I vote for US to get out because we should spare more innocent lives being killed. Let Iraq solve their own problems. Democracy shouldn't be imposed by outsiders. Democracy should be coming from within

[BlackKnight]

My point is yes, American has the right to protect themselves from threats but does that give them the right to invade the sovereignity

of a country? Even if the country is a communist/taliban/dictatorship country, it is still not right to do that. From what I recalled, I have not seen Iraq launching any offensive attack on US or its interest.

I agree that US has the right to protect thier interests in the Gulf War (proecting their interests in Kuwait), but the Iraq war? What is the justification? WMD? It has been proven that no WMD exist and it is a fabrication from Bush's Administration.

 

I vote for US to get out because we should spare more innocent lives being killed. Let Iraq solve their own problems. Democracy shouldn't be imposed by outsiders. Democracy should be coming from within

 

I agree. My problem is just with the argument everyone puts up that 'oh no we've upset the terrorists'. I remember that line was all the rage a year or so ago when some cleric specifically targeted Australia for an attack because of our then-involvement in the war effort. My stance is; who the hell gives a sh.t what some bearded flockers in a cave somewhere threaten us with?

 

 

In the general sense I don't think there is any morality that grants authority to invade another country, except the one I subscribe to. That being might makes right, and that violence itself is the supreme authority from which all other forms of authority derive. Guess where I stole that line from. But I believe it too. If someone has the strength to do something, you either are strong enough to stop them, or you surrender. That simple. The inability of Iraqi militants to get that through their thick skulls is what is costing lives in Iraq moreso than the US occupation, in my opinion.

 

After all, a demo truck blows away 152 lives- 3 guesses as to whether an American GI or some dumbass fanatic was driving. And considering that, I dunno how the all bloodshed is suddenly the US' fault.

[Robert]

Let's start from the beginning. The US has a huge and expensive armed services that is sitting around doing nothing. The arabs hold the world (mostly the US) hostage to oil prices because they have it and the US doesn't.

 

So, Bush's backers (oil companies in this case) whisper in his ear, you can fix the oil price situation by grabbing Iraq, the country with the biggest oil reserves. America is saved, and we will all be even richer, mwuhahaha! Oh, and we'll share our good fortune with you George. How that sound? George says, that is a wonderful idea, I'll get right on it.

 

The military advisors say, no probs, we can spin this yarn about WMD's and the country is a pushover. Who would dare defy us? We already own the media, and the U.N. is toothless.

 

So, George says to his friends, Tony Blair and John Howard, if you join in you can have some of this cheap oil too! And they enthusiastically signed up.

 

So they invade, no WMD's to be found (they already knew there wasn't any), and attempt to take control. But, Syrians and others are outraged, and create a diabolical plan to remove the invaders. It is a simple plan: kill anyone and create so much outrage that eventually America and its idiotic arselickers must be forced by public pressure to leave.

 

But no, George has been ordered by his masters to perform or else. So he digs in, hoping he can outlast the religiously-inspired opposition. Mr Howard said the other day he would not pull out Australian troops because he didn't want to hurt American prestige and power! What a crawling scum bastard!

 

This is where we are at now. Should the troops stay or go?

 

They should never have gone there, and would not, except for the evil dreams of greedy men. Thus the killing and terrorism in that poor nation would not have happened.

[OverlordMondo]

Screw Iraq. Get the troops out of there, no one gives a crap. What's really the worst case scenario here? Iraq killing itself? Wouldn't that just mean that the Bush administration could grab all the oil even easier than before?

 

For the sake of arguing, 9/11 was a hoax used to cover up a large gold transfer. I had one of those conspiracy videos, but I lost it. It's on google videos somewhere, it's really good.

[Gryph]

I didn't really support the war in the first place but since we're there we can't just leave like that. It would totally flock over that region and create even more terrorists who do not like the west. Of course you could argue that our continued presence is doing that also but if Iraq falls any further into civil war it could become an uncontrollable mess kind of like the Taliban rule in Afghanistan. We have to create some sort of stable country and train a decent military force before we can pull out.

[DropDeadEd]

The Iraq people will always hate the US.

 

Christianity is a threat. That is how they percieve it.

[OverlordMondo]

Then all we have to do is ditch Christianity. Win-win!