BlackKnight Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 Bias. If Heath Ledger didn't have the talent, he wouldn't have been hired to be in the movie. Bias? Opinion. Heath Ledger doesn't have a range. He wasn't the studio's or the director's first choice either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatal Rose Posted December 19, 2007 Author Share Posted December 19, 2007 I hate Batman's new costume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salorskin Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I thought the best Joker is in Batman 1? Agreed. He's not a by-the-canon portrayal, but damn Nicholson's Joker is one of the best villains I've ever seen. Heath doesn't have the talent to top that, no matter what style they choose to go with this time. Nicholson was too fat, old, and well known to be the Joker. When casting comic book characters I feel you should use relatively unknown actors and actresses in order to not take away from the said character. Watching Batman I saw Jack Nicholson as the Joker, great villain but still wasn't the Joker I knew and loved from the comics. As for Ledger... we'll see how he does. So far it looks good. anyone seen the last trailer? here. if you haven't.Oops didn't check Salorskins link. nice HD version of the trailer there.I don't like the inflections in Jokers voice. maybe they should have gotten Mark Hammil to do the joker. at least he does the voice well in the cartoons. I haaaaate Mark Hammil's voice! It's totally expected for a clown to sound like that, and reading something like Arkham Asylum I just picture something deep and raspy. Plus, Hammil's too old ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 From the few episodes of the animated series I've seen, I think Mark Hamil had the best voice for the joker. And the only reason why they probably hired Heath Ledger for the role is so it attracts a younger audience and it assures them that people are going to pay to see the movie. A lot of women have a movie crush on Ledger, so it makes sense. Anyway, Ledger seems to look good so far as joker, but he acts too much like a serial killer than a laughing crazy maniac. And I have to agree that Nicholson can not be replaced. He and his freakish eyebrows worked well in the mix and I think he was the perfect depiction of joker. edit: Rumor has it that Jack Nicholson was very upset when he found out Ledger was going to play the role of the joker. In fact, he was surprised (believe it or not) that the studio didn't ask him to play the role again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salorskin Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 From the few episodes of the animated series I've seen, I think Mark Hamil had the best voice for the joker. And the only reason why they probably hired Heath Ledger for the role is so it attracts a younger audience and it assures them that people are going to pay to see the movie. A lot of women have a movie crush on Ledger, so it makes sense. Anyway, Ledger seems to look good so far as joker, but he acts too much like a serial killer than a laughing crazy maniac. And I have to agree that Nicholson can not be replaced. He and his freakish eyebrows worked well in the mix and I think he was the perfect depiction of joker. edit: Rumor has it that Jack Nicholson was very upset when he found out Ledger was going to play the role of the joker. In fact, he was surprised (believe it or not) that the studio didn't ask him to play the role again. I just get irritated by that voice for some reason, though I'll have to admit Hammil does have an amazing Joker laugh. And the crush thing, just look at Ledger's pic maaan, he's no pretty boy in this film and I doubt anyone will think him sexy (unless they're into that kinda thing).Joker isn't a laughing crazy maniac, he's a serial killer and a thief - but he goes for big game. Read Arkham Asylum or the whole Justice series, you'll understand Joker a little more. For a different side of the Joker that makes one pity him, read The Killing Joke.Nicholson needs to be replaced as the end all be all of the Joker. I do love it, it's just not the same guy I like from Grant Morrison's or Jeph Loeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryph Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 I have not heard about that rumor, GC. Interesting. Sad if it's true. From the footage in the trailer it seems that Ledger was a great choice for this more evil type of Joker. Nicholson's was far more whimsical and the one on the animated show wasn't very evil at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackKnight Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 You also have to remember that Nicholson was coming off the 60's camp as anything Batman series. I forgive his whimsy because he really wipes the floor with what had been done with the Joker on screen previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryph Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Oh I absolutely love Nicholson's version of the Joker. One of my favorite all time scenes is when he kills the guy with the buzzer and then talks to him. Another favorite part is when he says "Where does he get those wonderful toys!?" I'm glad that they're taking a more psychotic approach with this Joker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackKnight Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 And of course... "He stole my balloons! Why didn't anyone tell me he had one of those... things..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salorskin Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Don't forget his monologue to Vicky Vale after "killing" Bruce Wayne! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackKnight Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'd join him for a weep. All this Nicholson talk is making me sad for The Dark Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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