UFC - Brock Lesnar Vs Frank Mir (Spoilers!)

[Inky]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

[Salorskin]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

 

Oh, definitely.

 

If Lesnar works more on submissions and a little more on striking he'll be amazing, that's for sure.

Edited February 4, 2008 by Salorskin

[solidius23]

the real good fights have been the light heavyweights, brock lost but he did WAY better than i thought he would. just a lil more work and he can be a force. and yes frank won but brock flocked him up pretty good in the face.

[DropDeadEd]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

 

Oh, definitely.

 

If Lesnar works more on submissions and a little more on striking he'll be amazing, that's for sure.

 

 

That fight was over until that penalization gave Mir some more time.

 

But Brock just got caught, now he knows where his weakness is (he escaped two arm bar attempts, which means he doesnt lack that much in submission defense). He just got caught. Even Royce Gracie got put to sleep by a clock choke, does that mean he needs to work more on submission defense?

 

Brock has been out of Greco Roman wrestling for awhile, but he's been in NJPW for the whole time he left the WWE. (New Japan Pro Wrestling).

 

Maybe his third fight will prove that he will be a force.

[Fatal Rose]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

 

Oh, definitely.

 

If Lesnar works more on submissions and a little more on striking he'll be amazing, that's for sure.

 

 

That fight was over until that penalization gave Mir some more time.

 

But Brock just got caught, now he knows where his weakness is (he escaped two arm bar attempts, which means he doesnt lack that much in submission defense). He just got caught. Even Royce Gracie got put to sleep by a clock choke, does that mean he needs to work more on submission defense?

 

Brock has been out of Greco Roman wrestling for awhile, but he's been in NJPW for the whole time he left the WWE. (New Japan Pro Wrestling).

 

Maybe his third fight will prove that he will be a force.

http://www.mmafightline.com/news/2008/25/b...ar_315517.shtml

By the way one of his armbar escape attempts was horrible, he fell to his back in a scramble to escape, only reason he got out may have been because Mir was hurt. Worst way to escape from a armbar is to fall to your back. PRetty questionable submission defense if you ask me.

Just watch it. Although he lost, but Brock was still able to take down Mir twice. Twice! I would say not bad. But he forget to defend his legs and there it goes.

Mir said in his interview that Brock's arms were huge and he wasn't looking to do any kind of arm submission. He then looked at his legs and realized they're quite smaller and let Brock punch him a few times (while trying to block) and eventually was able to put him in a leg submission.

 

 

 

The more I look at it, the more I see that Mir was truly saved by that point deduction. He got a bit time to get level headed and figure out the win.

 

Lesnar totally dominated Mir in almost every aspect of the fight. He just got caught. That seems to be the popular opinion everywhere. He owned Mir on the ground, almost no competition for him in the stand up, and really had no difficulty. He really just let his guard down and used the worst escape possible for a knee lock.

 

 

Main event was a much better/more important fight. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira finished Tim Silvia in the third round with a wonderful come from behind submission.

 

 

But the title of this thread is for this fight.

I know that, but I just letting Garageink know that the event is worth watching.

 

Well, I hope Lesnar will work on his leg's defence now. Everyone would be targettting there in the future.

 

 

Yeah. That seemed to be the only flaw in his impressive arsenal.

What Arsenal? He fought exactly as predicted. He is 1 and 1 in MMA with his first victory being against a total tomato can and his second fight he gets subbed in less then two minutes. Frank Slipped/walked into a punch after throwing a low roundhouse kick. As far as I can tell he is a athletic and powerful world class wrestler. Has he even been in the ring for five minutes combined yet?

 

I do believe Lesnar will be a force, he needs time to become a complete fighter though.

[Salorskin]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

 

Oh, definitely.

 

If Lesnar works more on submissions and a little more on striking he'll be amazing, that's for sure.

 

 

That fight was over until that penalization gave Mir some more time.

 

But Brock just got caught, now he knows where his weakness is (he escaped two arm bar attempts, which means he doesnt lack that much in submission defense). He just got caught. Even Royce Gracie got put to sleep by a clock choke, does that mean he needs to work more on submission defense?

 

Brock has been out of Greco Roman wrestling for awhile, but he's been in NJPW for the whole time he left the WWE. (New Japan Pro Wrestling).

 

Maybe his third fight will prove that he will be a force.

 

Actually Brock losing by submission was expected by many... I don't see how you can even attempt to create an illogical comparison like that.

 

And no, after he works on subs, sub defense, and striking he'll be a definite force.

[DropDeadEd]

Brock Lesnar's last fight (and only) was a joke and should not be considered anything. Frank Mir does not lack in stand up, he trained Kempo Karate and kickboxing -- his problem is that he gases a lot. His submissions are really quick and lethal though, and all we know about Lesnar is that he's a great wrestler. How's Lesnar's submission defense and game? Could he defend against a lethal submission artist?

 

hahaha

 

And Ed, you're really giving Lesnar too much credit. We've already established he's a powerful guy with incredible wrestling skills before the fight, but he tapped out in less than two minutes which means that he has little defense against submissions.

well it is only his second fight. and he has been out of real wrestling for a long time. maybe we'll see some good fights out of him in the future. My impressions of the heavyweight division is mostly brawlers anyways, boxers and wrestlers. with limited jujitsu. not saying there are no heavy jujitsu guys. but it seems UFC is leaning towards the big brawlers for that division. everyone knows the real excitement is 185 and below. IMO

 

Oh, definitely.

 

If Lesnar works more on submissions and a little more on striking he'll be amazing, that's for sure.

 

 

That fight was over until that penalization gave Mir some more time.

 

But Brock just got caught, now he knows where his weakness is (he escaped two arm bar attempts, which means he doesnt lack that much in submission defense). He just got caught. Even Royce Gracie got put to sleep by a clock choke, does that mean he needs to work more on submission defense?

 

Brock has been out of Greco Roman wrestling for awhile, but he's been in NJPW for the whole time he left the WWE. (New Japan Pro Wrestling).

 

Maybe his third fight will prove that he will be a force.

 

Actually Brock losing by submission was expected by many... I don't see how you can even attempt to create an illogical comparison like that.

 

And no, after he works on subs, sub defense, and striking he'll be a definite force.

 

 

I agree that he will.

 

and I just meant that he didnt have a hard time escaping arm bar attempts.

 

Many fighters lost early in their careers and then amounted numerous wins