Dolwin Gc Emu

[gavin19]

I never actually stopped to think if emulation itself was 'wrong'. When I first heard that I could happpily run any of my old Master System, GB, MegaDrive and/or SNES games for free I was amazed and intrigued. Inevitably I set about d/ling any old games I used to own plus a few others out of nostalgia more than anything else. Soon it became apparent that these old games were old in more than just a graphical sense. Very, very few of my old SNES games I would still consider worth playing today.

I then started to progress towards more modern games/systems such as NeoGeo, N64 plus any CPS1/2 games I could find. I played around with these for a bit longer but I came to more or less the same conclusion - in terms of the total games package they don't really measure up by today's standards.

So I thought, which modern systems can be capably emulated yet still have games regularly released? GBA immediately came to mind. That is now my system of choice for downloading roms etc however I never questioned the morality of doing so.

It seems to me that theres two general types of Emu fans. Those who place preservation of roms foremost and generally only use outdated systems. Or those who would emulate anything there PC could handle. I can see both sides and obviously would like every old game to be preserved but I would also like to see more modern emulation too. My reason for this is that although I have owned a GBA for 2yrs or so I only ever bought one game for it (Mario Kart) and it has lay gathering dust since. So I am not depriving any developer etc of profit by using Virtual Boy to play the latest games because I decided long ago that I would not be purchasing any more GBA games.

As for next-gen emulation it is still, as was said, a few years from perfection so I can hardly see people trading their GCs or whatever for some choppy emulation, so I don't buy the thievery ideal.

Also GC is different because copied games cannot be directly played and so the piracy side of things is virtually non-existant. Also it has been shown that not all ripped games work on PCs and certainly few that do work could be considered 100% perfect.

As for PS2/XBOX emulation, as has been mentioned that is years away from perfection and if people have no qualms about playing emulated xbox games then they would certainly not hesitate to play pirated discs on their 'chipped' boxes. So why would they bother with crappy next-gen emu when they can buy 100% working copies for pennies/cents??

So for me emulation of consoles was 99% nostalgia trip and I have hardly touched any of those games since, but as they r no longer comercially profiting anyone then it has been agreed that this is mostly harmless. However I'm sure that there are people who actively use emulators to by-pass having to purchase new consoles/games and it is this that I do not agree with.

That was at once rambling/off-topic/contradictory but it was also my honest opinion. Thank you

[Agozer]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said, G19.

I'm one of those who generally do not care emulating the next-gen systems. Emulation should be all about preserving older games and taking that trip down Memory Lane.

[taratata]

Sorry, I was away for a few days so I couldn't answer. Anyway, G19 has said it all. I'll just answer about that cd stuff.

oh, and about the amount of cds you buy, versus the amount of mp3s you download... everyone and thier mother that downloads mp3s to dvd rips claims that. i dont believe it for a second.

Sure, people who had the money to buy lots of cds buy less of them now. I could only afford one or two per year, and had to listen to crappy radio music or copies of copy of copy of audio cassettes that friends gave me.

The difference between now and before is that I never buy cds from mainstream artists anymore. They sell lots of crappy (for the biggest part) cds because of ads. And I don't buy the "mp3s have killed the music industry" argument. First, it is still very wealthy. Second, cds are way too expensive. And third, it has gotten harder and harder for beginning artists to get produced: they're not enough income producing from the industry's point of view.

I see the music industry the same way as scientific periodics: they were useful to distribute information (music or science) but they have abused so much from that that they only deserve to disappear, now that there are other means to get that information.

[Tsukiyo]

Dolwin doesn't work great, i tried playing naruto on it and it onlys plays the opening scene then it stops running the game.

[SQrL]

its "funny" how most of this thread has nothing to do with it's Subject.

pffffffft

[Tsukiyo]

I just want to say bump.

[Daeval]

My reason for this is that although I have owned a GBA for 2yrs or so I only ever bought one game for it (Mario Kart) and it has lay gathering dust since. So I am not depriving any developer etc of profit by using Virtual Boy to play the latest games because I decided long ago that I would not be purchasing any more GBA games.

I don't think I really need to say anything here, but I will.. This is some of the WORST logic I have ever seen in my life.

 

A sarcastic counter-example: A fresh apple in the market costs 50 cents. You decide that you don't want to spend your money on an apple. So, you take one off the cart and walk away eating it. Obviously you're not hurting the farmer because you weren't going to buy the apple anyway.

 

When you buy "Things" you earn yourself the right to enjoy them. It's an exchange, the very basis of an honest economy. When you decide not to buy something, you are deciding to go without the "Thing" in exchange for keeping whatever the "Compensation" would have been. This is not what you are doing. What you are doing is getting the "Thing" AND keeping the "Compensation."

 

This is called Stealing and, aside from the technical term, is harmful to the farmer AND the video game developer; the people who work hard to make the things you enjoy.

 

 

However I'm sure that there are people who actively use emulators to by-pass having to purchase new consoles/games and it is this that I do not agree with.

You may not agree with it, but it is exactly what you're doing.

Edited August 23, 2004 by Daeval

[Tsukiyo]

-confused-

[Daeval]

  -confused-   

Confused by me? It's simple, you can't say that stealing things isn't hurting anyone just because you weren't going to buy them in the first place.

 

Here's another analogy:

Try going into an expensive restauraunt, ordering the most expensive thing on the menu, eating it, and walking out. Don't leave any money or a tip. When the chef and half the staff tackles you, just explain to them that there's no way you would have paid their prices in the first place, so they aren't losing anything by giving it to you for free. Watch as they laugh at your absurdity and call the police, or beat you to a bloody pulp.

 

This is essentially the excuse used in the quote above. "I wouldn't have paid them for it, so they aren't losing my money if I take it for free."

[Tsukiyo]

hmmmmm.... I see..... your right. I shouldn't say this but everyone is doing it. I know someone will say if everyone jump off cliff would you do it. I like to test the game before i buy it, thats why i download iso's and roms.

[Daeval]

Right, I'm not saying I've never done it, but it's not right to try and justify it with false logic. I mean, don't try to lie to yourself and everyone else, when you do this, you are denying someone the compensation they deserve for their hard work.

 

Now, the "try before you buy" mentality is not so bad, in my opinion. Yes, it's still legally wrong, and you're not really supposed to get to try it unless there's a demo available. However, if there's no demo and I'm actually willing to buy a game if I like it (BEFORE it's in the bargain bin), I don't feel as bad.

 

Out of print titles are another fuzzy area, especially those which are still owned by someone, which is most of them. If the company is dead and the rights no longer exist, fine, no one is losing anything. However, if the company is still around, they could potentially still make money off of the title. Take the Midway's Arcade Treasures line, for example.

[Tsukiyo]

Now I feel bad bout all my roms and emu's I have... But if i can't find the game i'm goin to download it.

[zeheero]

I think people who believe in using a emulator is same as stealing is probably a victim of capitalism. Yes, you are right about eating the apple and not paying for it is wrong, however, it can't be denied that what America, big business like mattel,Bandi,konami,define what is wrong. US Government set out laws to protect us, the common ciztens, are indeed not protecting our interest but help boost corporation business. A good example would be US Government have us,Americans, believe that trying to force our way of life in other country is correct. If you think about it, it really wasn't to liberate "that country" but to have big corprations make money. Rather, then really believing what you think is right, the corporation have made up your mind. Using your definition provide by corpartions ,capitalism, as term to generalize what you believe is right isn't right at all. Someone people actually believe taking a apple and not paying for it is the right thing to do( look at the middle east). Just because one country think its wrong, doesn't mean every other country think it is wrong. Anyways, I probably going to get flame for my notion.

 

 

P.S. I think you have a point about emulator should be use as a way to play games that are never going to be made again. However, this notion is naive. Come on, are you telling me that if you see a free apple, you aren't going to take a bite. It is human nature to be greedy. Look at World War 1, the whole war wasn't about defending human rights but for the corprations to make back their money.

[Agozer]

Was that rant really necessary considering the age of this particular thread? It's nice that you think about this stuff, but do not make waking up the dead as your pasttime just yet.