Russian School Seige Ends after hours of gunfire

[Daeval]

Yeah, obviously this was a horrible, horrible thing.  Terrorism is quickly replacing "war" and, while I never thought the end of "war" would be a bad thing, that's what it's looking like. 

 

I'm curious, and curious is nowhere near strong enough a word, about what kinds of developments, military or otherwise, will help combat these attacks.  Traditional armies, security forces, and even "special forces" seem to be dangerously innefficient, not really accounting for opponents who seem to have no concern for their own lives.  Since it looks like fanatic nutjobs aren't in any short supply, someone's going to have to think outside the box on this one, and I hope they do it soon.

In other words, no one could ever say that the war is definitely over. Hmmm........

Bush said "we can't win the war on terrorism"

I wasn't referring to "The War" so much as the strategy of warfare in general. There's been terrorism forever, but it is becoming a more prominent weapon, and one that doesn't fit into the gameplan of a traditional, large-force-based war. The way we fight wars does not work against it, and it is no longer necessary for an opponent to be capable of fielding an expensive "army" to have a tremendous impact. The world will have to re-develop its tactics somehow to maintain real stability.

 

"The War on Terror" is a stupid term, and it really only makes sense from an intelligence perspective at this point. For now, it isn't something anyone can "win" so much as "keep under control" for a while at a time.

[random guy]

Yeah, obviously this was a horrible, horrible thing.  Terrorism is quickly replacing "war" and, while I never thought the end of "war" would be a bad thing, that's what it's looking like. 

 

I'm curious, and curious is nowhere near strong enough a word, about what kinds of developments, military or otherwise, will help combat these attacks.  Traditional armies, security forces, and even "special forces" seem to be dangerously innefficient, not really accounting for opponents who seem to have no concern for their own lives.  Since it looks like fanatic nutjobs aren't in any short supply, someone's going to have to think outside the box on this one, and I hope they do it soon.

In other words, no one could ever say that the war is definitely over. Hmmm........

Bush said "we can't win the war on terrorism"

I wasn't referring to "The War" so much as the strategy of warfare in general. There's been terrorism forever, but it is becoming a more prominent weapon, and one that doesn't fit into the gameplan of a traditional, large-force-based war. The way we fight wars does not work against it, and it is no longer necessary for an opponent to be capable of fielding an expensive "army" to have a tremendous impact. The world will have to re-develop its tactics somehow to maintain real stability.

 

"The War on Terror" is a stupid term, and it really only makes sense from an intelligence perspective at this point. For now, it isn't something anyone can "win" so much as "keep under control" for a while at a time.

very true.

[Gryph]

uh, I'm not familiar with russian history here.

 

Why would Chechen rebels are collaborate with Al Qaeda?

Also because the Chechen rebels are primarily Muslims.

 

And the "Can't win War on Terrorism" meant that there would never be a formal treaty to end it. I must admit he did use a poor choice of words (again) and I'm sure his staff was scrammbling to fix it as soon as possible. The only way to win the war on terrorism is to kill ALL terrorists and destroy ALL relgious fanatacism which I might say is an impossible task.

[L.S.D]

uh, I'm not familiar with russian history here.

 

Why would Chechen rebels are collaborate with Al Qaeda?

Also because the Chechen rebels are primarily Muslims.

 

And the "Can't win War on Terrorism" meant that there would never be a formal treaty to end it. I must admit he did use a poor choice of words (again) and I'm sure his staff was scrammbling to fix it as soon as possible. The only way to win the war on terrorism is to kill ALL terrorists and destroy ALL relgious fanatacism which I might say is an impossible task.

Quite true. Even Christians are fanatical sometimes.

We should just live by the 70s favourite motto "Make love, not war!"

(And Fatal, dun post the picture of Bush f**king Saddam, ok?)

[Wizard]

From the 2002 attacks till now. The majority of these "terrorists" are actually chechens. Not muslim as previously thought. From the 2002 Moscow Theater, only 1 man was Muslim, the otheres were all 100% Chechen men and women.

 

The women, the Black Widows, who seem to be muslim at first glance, are actually chechen.

[Gryph]

From the 2002 attacks till now. The majority of these "terrorists" are actually chechens. Not muslim as previously thought. From the 2002 Moscow Theater, only 1 man was Muslim, the otheres were all 100% Chechen men and women.

 

The women, the Black Widows, who seem to be muslim at first glance, are actually chechen.

Dude, most Chechens are Sunni Muslims....

Edited September 4, 2004 by GryphonKlaw

[Daeval]

From the 2002 attacks till now. The majority of these "terrorists" are actually chechens. Not muslim as previously thought. From the 2002 Moscow Theater, only 1 man was Muslim, the otheres were all 100% Chechen men and women.

 

The women, the Black Widows, who seem to be muslim at first glance, are actually chechen.

Dude, most Chechens are Sunni Muslims....

Yeah, Muslim, as it is usually used, is a religion and Chechen is a nationality, I'm pretty sure. You can be American, or Chechen, and Muslim at the same time too.

[OverlordMondo]

uh, I'm not familiar with russian history here.

 

Why would Chechen rebels are collaborate with Al Qaeda?

Also because the Chechen rebels are primarily Muslims.

 

And the "Can't win War on Terrorism" meant that there would never be a formal treaty to end it. I must admit he did use a poor choice of words (again) and I'm sure his staff was scrammbling to fix it as soon as possible. The only way to win the war on terrorism is to kill ALL terrorists and destroy ALL relgious fanatacism which I might say is an impossible task.

Quite true. Even Christians are fanatical sometimes.

We should just live by the 70s favourite motto "Make love, not war!"

(And Fatal, dun post the picture of Bush f**king Saddam, ok?)

Might just be me, but that sounds like it would lead to a large increase in the spread of stds. Again.